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High end how-to
« on: 14 June 2010, 01:35:00 pm »
Sorry for yet another question -- I'm like a kid in a candy store here! (I appreciate your patience, and hope I can contribute back when I know more!)

If I were aiming for the high end of the market, how would I get started? Of course, a great website, well-written text, high quality fashion photography, professional demeanor, etc. But what else?

Anyone in this world have any "I wish I knew then what I know now" tips?

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Re: High end how-to
« Reply #1 on: 14 June 2010, 04:53:03 pm »
Sorry for yet another question -- I'm like a kid in a candy store here! (I appreciate your patience, and hope I can contribute back when I know more!)

If I were aiming for the high end of the market, how would I get started? Of course, a great website, well-written text, high quality fashion photography, professional demeanor, etc. But what else?

Anyone in this world have any "I wish I knew then what I know now" tips?

All of the above lol! Keep your website tasteful with good quality pics. Some ladies would say that your prices reflect the type of client you attract also.

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Re: High end how-to
« Reply #2 on: 14 June 2010, 05:12:02 pm »
Anyone in this world have any "I wish I knew then what I know now" tips?

The only thing I wish I'd known when I started was that there's nothing wrong at all with the "mid market". ;) I started out with fancy ?300-500 per hour agencies but the clients were all quite bog-standard - lots of nice hotels I suppose but that's hardly enough to keep job satisfaction levels up. Some of the clients can be just the sort of stereotypical entitled wankers that fit the stereotype for fans of Dial-A-Moddle services - cokeheads, bareback-demanders, etc etc. But yeah, most are just the same guys as I see now (although I spose I'm 'expensive' now - that's only to keep calls down, though, not cos I'm a famous pornstar or anything) so I think charging normal-ish rates while having a really classy website and pictures (and a strict vetting policy, but all escorts should have that) will attract you lots of lovely clients - more than you even need, so then you can be even pickier. But of course your rates are entirely up to you. I'm just working based on my experiences in London:
- New girl at high rates (?300+) = lots of bookings (?2000 per week)
- After 3-4 months at high rates = less bookings (?600 per week + can't be choosy, end up bit desperate for clients, out at all hours Thurs, Fri & Sat nights, no fun)
- New indie at mid-high rates = some bookings (?600 per week)
- Quite established indie at mid-high rates = about 12 serious inquiries each week so I choose the best-sounding ones and end up with about ?800 - ?1000 per week from a couple of 1-hours' and a couple of 2-hours'.
Then I spend half on rent/living costs and have to save the rest for tax + student loan payments. But that's a different issue. :P

Obviously this all applies to me only and I've only ever worked in London. I'm 23 and English and a size 10. Not sure what financial effect that stuff has exactly, having always been that way, but possibly something!

And still feel free to disregard everything - I'm never sure how useful a "my experience" thing can be in this industry as individual experience always varies so much. And if you're looking to be high-end for other reasons than economics then again, disregard all this! I do sometimes miss gallivanting around all those fancy hotels, if I'm completely honest. ;)
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Re: High end how-to
« Reply #3 on: 14 June 2010, 10:20:40 pm »
Sorry for yet another question -- I'm like a kid in a candy store here! (I appreciate your patience, and hope I can contribute back when I know more!)

If I were aiming for the high end of the market, how would I get started? Of course, a great website, well-written text, high quality fashion photography, professional demeanor, etc. But what else?

Anyone in this world have any "I wish I knew then what I know now" tips?

I know it's wrong to answer a question with a question, but why exactly do you want to? If it's because you think you'll earn more money, I doubt that very much and your running costs (or agency cuts) will be so much higher it won't make a blind bit of difference even if your income is that bit more. As Emily said, it's far more difficult to maintain a presence after the initial novelty wears off for the 'trophy hunter' types. The only reason I can see is if you only have a very limited amount of hours you can work each week, but those hours are likely to be antisocial, to say the least.

I don't have any experience of this end of the market, so I am speculating really but we do see this question a lot from newbies and none of them ever seem to be able to explain why this sort of work attracts them; I may be wrong but I do think at least a few have just watched a bit too much of that bloody Billie Piper programme and can't see past the flashing ??? signs and the fancy websites.

Either way (and it's been said before) but you will need a superb website and top-end photographs, beautiful clothing and to pay scrupulous attention to your appearance; it will also help to be well read, well mannered and intelligent (educated is not the same thing) as well as prepared to service some real arrogant tosspots. Sounds far too much like hard work to me  ;).

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« Reply #4 on: 15 June 2010, 12:28:50 am »
I also think the so-called 'high-end'  market is not exactly how we think it is when we are just starting. just for example: some time ago I applied with one very expensive and known agency and the owner kind of accepted me but then of course I had some concerns as I was just starting. so I said I wouldn't feel comfortable doing certain 'services' and the answer was: the client needs to be happy. I don't care what you do but he needs to be happy. he pays a lot of money to be with you...bla, bla, the client needs to be happy because he pays a lot of money could be the summary of the conversation on my concerns. of course, many other agencies won't question your choice of services but I think the attitude is quite the same.
also, the clients themselves - a guy who books you once in a while as a very special treat will almost certainly respect you far more than the one who earns enough money to take the ten most expensive escorts for vacation on Bahamas all together. for him, it is nothing special.
then there are those not so wealthy guys who like to show up by booking expensive girls.  as it is a huge money for them they have very high expectations.
these are my thoughts on ur quest. think of what kind of clients you want to attract.

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« Reply #5 on: 15 June 2010, 02:07:54 am »
I don't have personal experience of high end escorting but my attitude is, if you're in the right shape and age group - go for it! And if you're not in that model look shape or age group - then go for it anyway!  ;)

The only "bad" thing that can happen is that you don't get enough clients. And if that happens you can always re brand yourself with new pics, name, site, mobile phone and start afresh in a different price range. Or even run both sites simultaneously, targetting different markets.  ;D Sure, there could be grunts from certain punter sites "exposing" you as same escort. But then other professionals sell their services at different prices to different markets too (and no one bats an eye lid). Besides, how many well off clients actually read Grunternet?

So you may get arrogant wankers? I'm sure they come in all income brackets. So clients expect more "services" (read: you taking more health risks) once they pay more? I'm sorry, but I don't buy this argument. Truth is some men will always expect more whatever your prices. And IME there is far more pressure to perform OWO & the rest in brothels, for much less money than what many agencies and independents charge.

The only downside I can see is the need for a Posh PostCode Luxury Flat (for your in calls) which sure hell could eat into your earnings. But if you manage to share a flat with others then I think it could still be worth it. I am currently tempted to advertise in Cherrygirls and Eros with my (medium priced) site. Both directories have quite a few VIP escorts advertising there. Which is why I get a feeling that if you're looking for well off clients, then my only advice would be to pay a bit more to get listed on well established smart(er) directories (with good results on search engines). Hopefully the ones which your desired clientele is most likely to find when searching for escorts. With other words, not at AdultW**k.  :)

And if you're really daring you could contact other VIP escorts to see which advertising has worked for them or not.

One piece of (on line) advice I've got from a semi retired Courtesan was that if you're charging thousands of $s, then you may only get 1 or 2 clients a month - if even that. It takes time to build up a network of clients on that level (and since she already made money elsewhere, a booking like that was more like an icing on a cake as opposed to her main income). It also seemed to involve longer dates as opposed to 1 hour bookings.

And oh, she claimed that even to this day and age it was possible to have $5000 overnight stays without even kissing your clients (at least in US). Pop goes the argument that the more they pay, the more "services" they'd expect. According to her, it wasn't so much of what you did that mattered, as to how you chosen to be with your clients. Personally, I believe it to be true. Sex is after all not just a list of things you do, as much as an event you both explore.

And I think there are quite a few men prepared to pay more for quality as opposed to mere quantity when it comes to sex. As to whether it's enough of them to go round, that's a different story.
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Re: High end how-to
« Reply #6 on: 15 June 2010, 06:32:52 am »
And oh, she claimed that even to this day and age it was possible to have $5000 overnight stays without even kissing your clients

Please..don't take what too many American escorts say to heart. I had did a duo with a lady once, and after the session she spent an hour blathering on and on about how she charges $200 to walk into the door, and $1,200 just to fuck her. She then claimed she had men lined up for me who wanted me and her to pretend like we were a black on white couple. Unless she was killed on the way to a booking, I never heard from her again.

Most of the clients I did overnights with specified kissing to be involved. And if I didn't, I'd appear quite stuck up (although there was 1 guy who had a cold sore and said it was okay if I didnt kiss him that night  ;D

As for 'high end' stuff, I agree with everyone else. It may work for a month or 2, but then after that it gets really tough. Methinks the highend ones have either been in it for YEARS, or they are professionals with careers who can afford to wait 2-4 weeks for a $300 appointment.

Me on the other hand, I need daily appointments and charging $300 doesn't do it. I can easily pull $300 within 2-3 days though at my current rates

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« Reply #7 on: 26 June 2010, 12:48:00 am »
The purpose PERIOD for high end escorting is to see less clients. It also indicates that a lady is good for more than just a good lay. She is intelligent, and multifaceted. Unless you start at an agency, not many ladies  have the opportunity to start out high end.  What it isn't is an indication that you're better in bed, or prettier. There are ladies at all price points that turn men OUT, and the very same men that see high dollar ladies also see average priced ladies as well.

It's all about supply and demand. If you're super busy at your current rate, start first by raising your hourly rate. If you're still busier than you need to be (i.e. you can't spend time with family, go to school, do homework, whatever), do longer engagements. Gearing your rates towards longer engagements indicates that you're not just looking for a screw. No one here can tell you how to do that. Not everyone is meant for the upper echelons of whoredom. You are not in a race to do anything but to pay your bills. Take your time, analyze your business, and go from there.

As far as American escorting is concerned, there are different ways to "work" in different areas. What Joey is describing is the typical Vegas upsell. It has been known to happen, but the more information clients have on ladies who have all inclusive rates, the less it happens. Then some ladies are masters of knowing how to extend a date, especially if you have a credit card machine. I have a friend-girl that talks the entire first hour, then prepares to leave, then does nothing but dance and flirt and bathe the next 2-3 hours and he doesn't get any until the 4th or 5th hour. We were on a double together, and we split $6,000 for 4 hours. By the second hour the poor guy gave up and just asked, "what is it going to take to get you girls in bed with me?" It's not a tactic I like to use, because it's misleading, but anything is possible. Just like anywhere, anything is possible.
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« Reply #8 on: 27 June 2010, 07:01:06 pm »
I have a friend-girl that talks the entire first hour, then prepares to leave, then does nothing but dance and flirt and bathe the next 2-3 hours and he doesn't get any until the 4th or 5th hour. We were on a double together, and we split $6,000 for 4 hours. By the second hour the poor guy gave up and just asked, "what is it going to take to get you girls in bed with me?" It's not a tactic I like to use, because it's misleading, but anything is possible. Just like anywhere, anything is possible.

Ms. Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing....So did the poor guy end up getting laid or what LOL?

My only issue with tactics like that is its very possible that the guys may not be prepared with that kind of money. Of course, it just depends on where the client is contacting the ad from.

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« Reply #9 on: 28 June 2010, 06:36:46 pm »

Ms. Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing....So did the poor guy end up getting laid or what LOL?

My only issue with tactics like that is its very possible that the guys may not be prepared with that kind of money. Of course, it just depends on where the client is contacting the ad from.

Yes, he got laid in the end, LOL. I made sure of that. And the funny thing is he ended up being a long time client of mine. We've done some amazing things together. She and I are like night and day, but I can keep up without giving in. I am all about the client, she's all about showing the client why she deserves the money he's about to spend. You would have thought this man was at an auction the way he had her charging his credit card. She would be talking, and he would say, "run it for $1000 more," and that's when she would break out her travel pole. When we got all sweaty from dancing and having fun he goes "run it for 2,000 this time," and that's when we all got into the shower together. He was out of a grand more before she gave in.

But  she will tell you, these are the differences between escorting and prostitution. She used to tell her clients that a prostitute is paid for sex, and an escort is paid to entertain. And that's exactly what she does; entertain. If a client doesn't have the money to see her for more than an hour, she gives them a deep French kiss after she's finished running her mouth and she leaves. She's come a long way, this lady that I'm talking about. Even full circle. She started out at a really young age with "management." She doesn't nearly have the business that she had a couple years ago because of her antics, and has literally went back to her roots.

But I'm not saying that she's totally wrong, because there are VERY few ladies that offer anything beyond dinner dates that know how to fill all the time beyond sex. The conversation's shot because her mind's on nothing but the money and current events isn't her forte. I think that we all could learn from each other. That's why this forum is so cool.
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« Reply #10 on: 28 June 2010, 07:43:28 pm »
You would have thought this man was at an auction the way he had her charging his credit card. She would be talking, and he would say, "run it for $1000 more," and that's when she would break out her travel pole. When we got all sweaty from dancing and having fun he goes "run it for 2,000 this time," and that's when we all got into the shower together. He was out of a grand more before she gave in.

there are VERY few ladies that offer anything beyond dinner dates that know how to fill all the time beyond sex.

Damn, that just makes me feel cheap  :(  But then again, I made a thread on the use of credit card machines and it did not go down well on this forum. Many were saying that one could easily dispute the transaction, plus it leaves paper trails...all sorts of things not to mention credit card fraud.

I just wouldn't trust using a credit card, but if it worked for her...LOL. I am curious to try such a technique because I can talk about everything under the sun. I even spent several minutes chatting with a guy about the oil crisis in the Gulf...

Ok, thats it, no more being cheap. I want my $2,000 LOL  :D

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« Reply #11 on: 28 June 2010, 09:08:47 pm »
Damn, that just makes me feel cheap  :(  But then again, I made a thread on the use of credit card machines and it did not go down well on this forum. Many were saying that one could easily dispute the transaction, plus it leaves paper trails...all sorts of things not to mention credit card fraud.

I just wouldn't trust using a credit card, but if it worked for her...LOL. I am curious to try such a technique because I can talk about everything under the sun. I even spent several minutes chatting with a guy about the oil crisis in the Gulf...

Ok, thats it, no more being cheap. I want my $2,000 LOL  :D

Aww, don't feel like that, Sweet Cheeks  :-*.

Really, offering one set rate makes you more accessible, and forthcoming. Guys run from the ladies who don't have a set rate.

She actually had a legitimate business as an adult entertainer (she actually got her tax ID number with that exact profession!), so BOA actually set her up with a business account and the machine. She had discreet billing, and always had copies of the card and signatures.  Usually if a girl is not careful and it is obvious she's not concerned about discretion (like my friend was at first) she will end up with chargebacks. She laughed at me when I mentioned a one-time charge, or at least charging the card once in an appointment, until it happened to her. After that she straightened up her act. But she's since had to close her account and stop accepting them since she wasn't getting the business like she did before. But her business information was is public information, and anyone that wanted to do a little research would be shocked to see what her business is listed as. Especially for those using business credit cards for their transactions.

I wouldn't recommend accepting credit cards unless you're expecting a lot of deposits. And by alot I mean enough to cover all the costs involved with accepting them. Usually there is a monthly charge, then it's extra to take Discover and AMEX, and extra fees for being inactive on a couple. Too much to be concerned with. And there is the paper trail. But done right, no guy is going to HAVE to dispute the charges.

Like I said, an assessment of your business is always in order. Always look for the opportunity to up your game just a bit. I have been in a constant  state of change for the last year. I'm transitioning to a new website, learning new things, and working on my body and image (Your body is just perfect, by the way). Move forward in every way you can!
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