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Title: OWO
Post by: cecilia.chic on 20 October 2008, 09:13:32 pm
Hi ladies,

I just wondered whether OWO was industry standard in the UK?  OWO (or BBBJ as we say) is standard practice where I live but I don't want it to become mine.

How can I resist the repeated requests without losing business?  My compromise has been that the condom can come off to ejaculate and that pleases most but I know it will continue to come up.

Do you give OWO, if so, why or why not?  I just want to know how other girls have made their choices so that I can make sure I"m doing the right thing for me!

Thanks!

Cece
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: LondonEvie on 20 October 2008, 09:40:30 pm

 If this is the choice you've made, then Oral with protection IS the right thing for you to do. If you are not comfortable offering it, don't offer it period- If other WG's are doing it and men are asking for it, tough. You can't let your boundaries on your health and safety be influenced by what other people are doing in this work, it's not their body it's yours, and it's your peace of mind. If you want to offer OWO go for it, but you needn't do something just because other people are  :)You might lose some business, but you might gain some too, and those you gain may be those more appreciative of your boundaries and better clients for it.

I searched AW for my area, and a lot of girls are offering bareback sex- And I have been asked for it, but this is something I would never do- so I say no.  I wouldn't offer it EVEN if it was industry norm and I was the odd one out. It's sort of similar.

 If they ask for it just say you don't, and justify your reasons too- It's better for both of you: If you had gonorrhea or herpes he could get that through oral, and then have to explain it to his wife or partner where he got those sores and warts or what these antibiotics are for. (I reckon pointing that out may shut some mouths) Similarly you can get it from giving oral without also. It saves him a lot of explaining and stress AND health,  and it saves your health and everything else besides.

And if you aren't comfortable giving it, then every time you do give OWO more likely than not it'll be planting worry in your mind, and you'll hate doing something you don't want to that crosses your chosen boundary. I'm willing to bet some men would appreciate this- Just as they wouldn't want someone who has unprotected penetration so they may appreciate a girl who is putting full safety first.

Sorry** Didn't mean to shout/lecture you hope I haven't, just it's quite clear you've made a choice for yourself and are feeling pressured to change it, and I wanted to do some cheerleading xx
 
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Lydia on 20 October 2008, 11:10:55 pm
Hi Cece,

I've been through this phase to do I, don't I and eventually I read and researched OWO heavily and took the decision that when I begin working again I wont offer it. Just peace of mind really as every time I'd visit the clinic it would weigh on my mind if 'this time' it might come back with something. Basically not offering it takes away one worry that would otherwise always be present, then all that crops up is what about RO.. But the risks seem sufficiently (in my opinion) reduced there but I can't help but have a nagging feeling that if I wont offer OWO then why offer RO.. So  :-\ .. I definitely want to kiss though, I think if I made a no RO rule that I might break it so it'd be better to keep it available from the start than chop and change my mind.. But I haven't entirely made up my mind about RO yet.

It's all just about what makes me feel happier as if I'm anxious about something during a booking it'll just make the booking feel stilted as I wont relax with something on my mind. And I really don't like the idea of being in the position of telling the clients who've seen me I have a lurgi that they almost now certainly have - not a nice position to be in.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: celebate on 21 October 2008, 12:11:59 am
I do owo because I despise it with! I like giving head!! I have had a couple of men insist on having protected oral and I just don't like it, because I enjoy doing it and you just can't do the same things with a condom on and the taste is minging (not that you don't get the odd minging cock, but I clean those)!!

At the same point, I don't do CIM - which is an industry standard! I often get asked why I don't do it, and tell them it's because I don't like the taste. Although I've been asked about it many times, I don't feel I've ever lost business from it. Everyone has their own sectors in the market and you'll find yours.

xx
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Anika Mae on 21 October 2008, 12:53:13 am
I think offering OWO may be more common than not here, but there are still plenty of girls that don't do it. I don't do it and I miss giving proper head (it's true: it's not the same), but I don't want to be partly responsible for someone's wife getting the clap, even if it's the guys that should be covering themselves against that.

Whatever you choose, I advise against making compromises. Some people will push you as far as you'll go, and crossing one line encourages them to work on others.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: cecilia.chic on 21 October 2008, 01:27:40 am
Thanks a lot.  These are all great answers and you've given me more strength to stick to my guns about not doing OWO.

  What is RO and CIM?  I'm sure I know WHAT it is, I just haven't come across the acronyms before.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: cecilia.chic on 21 October 2008, 01:33:00 am
I think offering OWO may be more common than not here, but there are still plenty of girls that don't do it. I don't do it and I miss giving proper head (it's true: it's not the same), but I don't want to be partly responsible for someone's wife getting the clap, even if it's the guys that should be covering themselves against that.

Whatever you choose, I advise against making compromises. Some people will push you as far as you'll go, and crossing one line encourages them to work on others.

Can you explain what you mean a little bit further?  About the compromises, I mean.  The one I mentioned (about taking off the condom to cum on my chest) was one that I came up with because it works for me.  NOt good?
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: lexienight on 21 October 2008, 01:48:34 am
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Can you explain what you mean a little bit further?  About the compromises, I mean.  The one I mentioned (about taking off the condom to cum on my chest) was one that I came up with because it works for me.  NOt good?
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Of course its good, i bet your clients will love that compromise.  I offer owo after doing my research because it is something i feel comfortable with but again i dont do CIM (cum in mouth).  I have to say, i dont offer any service that i wouldnt offer in my normal everyday sex life (if i had and everyday sex life!!!).  I have never let any boyfriend CIM so im not about to let a client do it.  Saying that, there are a few things i would let a boyfriend do that i wont let a client do... but im not telling you lot what they are  :)

L.x
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: LondonEvie on 21 October 2008, 01:53:04 am

 
I think it's that the compromise was YOUR idea that makes the difference- Give an inch, take a mile. If someone pressured you into OWO then they might try for CIM, or for something else. Dangerous precedent. I think your compromise rules actually, I may try it!
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Anika Mae on 21 October 2008, 02:00:26 am
Can you explain what you mean a little bit further?  About the compromises, I mean.  The one I mentioned (about taking off the condom to cum on my chest) was one that I came up with because it works for me.  NOt good?

Oh yeah, that's fine if you're happy with it. I wasn't really sure what you meant and was just concerned if you'd been talked into making compromises. Listen to Evie, she's making more sense than me.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: lexienight on 21 October 2008, 02:07:55 am

 
.....If someone pressured you into OWO then they might try for CIM, ......

I have their dick in my mouth... just let them try to pressure me in to something i dont want to do.... i dare them!!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: lexienight on 21 October 2008, 02:30:22 am
Thanks a lot.  These are all great answers and you've given me more strength to stick to my guns about not doing OWO.

  What is RO and CIM?  I'm sure I know WHAT it is, I just haven't come across the acronyms before.

http://www.puntingzone.com/acryn.html

this link has the acronyms that should help.  I have to say it made me giggle the first time i looked through it... someone has really thought about this stuff eh  :D
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: lexienight on 21 October 2008, 03:02:51 am
no sorry thats the wrong link.... there is one that has BB and CIM etc..

http://www.puntingzone.com/terms.html

there is a better one somewhere but i cant find it.  this should tell you all you need to know
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: amy on 21 October 2008, 12:54:41 pm
Hi ladies,

I just wondered whether OWO was industry standard in the UK?  OWO (or BBBJ as we say) is standard practice where I live but I don't want it to become mine.

How can I resist the repeated requests without losing business?  My compromise has been that the condom can come off to ejaculate and that pleases most but I know it will continue to come up.

Do you give OWO, if so, why or why not?  I just want to know how other girls have made their choices so that I can make sure I"m doing the right thing for me!

Thanks!

Cece

We've been here before. Don't do ANYTHING that you are not comfortable with, whether it's kissing or hardsports. I have never heard of services being talked about in terms of 'industry standard'; it all just sounds very much like an excuse to say 'everybody else does it so you should too....'. What other people do is irrelevant (in the vast majority of decision making, as far as I'm concerned at least).

I do OWO because I detest the taste, smell and surface texture of condoms (including the flavoured ones), plus the 'teat' part makes me gag and choke. I have availed myself of all the information available and made an informed choice - anyone who prefers their oral covered is welcome to have this on request, but I much prefer the taste of nice clean man. I keep some spearmint condoms just in case and I have been asked once - I also do CIM but again, this is personal choice and I certainly wouldn't say it was 'standard' anything (I'm a game girl  ;D). My clients are responsible for their sexual health; if they do not inform themselves of the risks involved I am happy to explain them but ultimately it is their call, not mine. In almost twenty years of giving and receiving unprotected oral as either girlfriend or prossie I have never had so much as a cold sore - I observe the 'no brushing' rule two hours either side and am in excellent health, which I'm sure helps.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: cecilia.chic on 21 October 2008, 04:40:09 pm
Hi everyone,

I've also done the research and I also hate the taste of condoms but I'm still not offering OWO.  Thanks for your replies, it really helps reinforce how much control I have over the service I perform.  I guess because I'm new, I still need a little confidence building. :-\

Cece

Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Richard on 21 October 2008, 04:54:04 pm
Yes, this is one of the things people take different positions on and the most important thing is that you're comfortable with your choice, whatever it is.

There's a demand for it and a demand for people who don't do it (but not so much in the male market!)

I hadn't heard the "I don't want to be partly responsible for someone's wife getting the clap" reason much before (although I know of someone who puts off clients in relationships from seeing them) because, yes, "it's the guys that should be covering themselves against that".

If they want to take the risk of getting an uncovered blowjob, they need to live with any consequences - no-one's tying them down and doing it to them, unless that's what they paid for :)
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Anika Mae on 21 October 2008, 05:32:36 pm
It's their responsibility, but if they're irresponsible they're not the only ones who could suffer. I can't make them be discreet enough not to be found out, but sexual health is one area where I have the option to reduce the potential impact and I see that as one point in favour of OW.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: wowzers on 22 October 2008, 04:16:00 pm
what is the 'no brushing' rule??
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: amy on 22 October 2008, 04:23:10 pm
what is the 'no brushing' rule??

Brushing your teeth can open up small cuts and cause abrasions on your gums and around the mouth; this allows any infections that may be present to be transmitted far more easily. Therefore, don't brush your teeth within two hours of seeing a client - some people say four hours but I've been reliably informed by my local GUM that two is fine. It's a bit grim if you have an early morning booking but you do get used to it - use mouthwash before and after every booking instead.

I think the jury's out a bit on alcohol based v alcohol free mouthwash - I tend to alternate as I do get through quite a lot of it! Obviously if you do covered oral it's less of a consideration (although I would probably still err on the side of caution).
Title: Don't forget flossing is a no-no too!
Post by: cecilia.chic on 22 October 2008, 04:37:36 pm
Hey,

I just wanted to add that flossing shouldn't be done in these hours either - just in case any of you are real oral hygiene freaks. ;D
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: amy on 24 October 2008, 09:40:34 pm
I've been to the dentist today and after a chat about mouthwashes he recommended one called Corsodyl which is a strong antibacterial. Does anyone else know much about it - I've bought some but haven't come across it before.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Anika Mae on 24 October 2008, 10:12:34 pm
Yeah, I used it once to treat gingivitis. I think it says a course shouldn't last longer than two weeks, though.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Sophia M on 25 October 2008, 01:03:27 am
You do have to be careful with Corsodyl. When I first discovered it I used it once a day in the hope that it would obviate the need to floss. Within quite a short time my teeth were noticeably stained, and I had to go to the hygienist for an emergency clean up. Now I just use it if I get an ulcer or something like that. A doctor once told me that a salt water solution is as good as any mouthwash. I not sure how true that is, but he clearly had great faith in it, because he went straight off to gargle with it after going down on me. lol
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: cecilia.chic on 25 October 2008, 02:22:19 am
That's the best laugh I've had today!  Thanks for that. ;D 
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: lexienight on 25 October 2008, 03:16:25 am
i had a mental experiance with an abses (whatever... i cant spell it) the other week.  i shant go in to gory detail but i was glad i was already at the doctors surgery when it decided to explode in my mouth....

Anyway, i had to use corsodyl to help clear it up and my teeth are now horribly stained.  getting better with whitening toothpaste and i found a whitening listerine which im getting through rapidly too.  my point is its not as stubbourn as cigarrette or red wine staining but still a pain in the arse.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: cassie on 26 October 2008, 01:27:49 pm
My tip is to make sure you have cleaned your teeth before using corsodyl, if you are not using it for acute treatment purposes dilute with water about 50:50 and don't smoke, drink red wine, coffee or any other staining foods for about an hour after using it.

A mouthwash with the same active ingredient has been used in germany for decades called ' Nur Ein Tropfen' which translates to 'Just One Drop' and the recommended dosage is 1-2 drops in a normal glass of water for daily uses and only to be used neat when you have gingivitis or abcesses and from the appearance and taste corsodyl is of a similar strenght as the german product.
Title: Re: Don't forget flossing is a no-no too!
Post by: UrbaneAspects on 27 October 2008, 05:26:15 am
Hey,

I just wanted to add that flossing shouldn't be done in these hours either - just in case any of you are real oral hygiene freaks. ;D

yes..I used to do that (before I was in the industry) and my friend caught me doing that one night before going out to the club and told me not to kiss anyone that night.

So I save the flossing for late nights now... ;D
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: amy on 27 October 2008, 05:31:35 pm
My tip is to make sure you have cleaned your teeth before using corsodyl, if you are not using it for acute treatment purposes dilute with water about 50:50 and don't smoke, drink red wine, coffee or any other staining foods for about an hour after using it.

A mouthwash with the same active ingredient has been used in germany for decades called ' Nur Ein Tropfen' which translates to 'Just One Drop' and the recommended dosage is 1-2 drops in a normal glass of water for daily uses and only to be used neat when you have gingivitis or abcesses and from the appearance and taste corsodyl is of a similar strenght as the german product.

Thanks Cassie - that's almost exactly how my dentist told me to use it - I mentioned to a client too and he apparently uses it regularly; his teeth are no more stained than anyone else's who likes a glass of wine and a few fags! I am diluting it as suggested - I just feel better having a 'big hitter' around the place because I'm really busy at the moment and I tend to get run down easily (and then wind up with mouth ulcers). I'm sticking to the Listerine for before/after bookings though :D.
Title: Re: OWO
Post by: Lydia on 27 October 2008, 05:53:49 pm
Yes I use Corsodyl occasionally too, I just use it for a little while every so often and then go back to my normal toothpaste. I just decide to use it every so often.