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victoryrose

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #15 on: 19 April 2015, 05:18:17 pm »
VR - I wouldn't be too optimistic. My guess is that speaking very generally Labour are more likely to be in favour of criminalisation than Tories, sad to say...

I know, majority of Tories voted against the Nordic introduction I think (probably because a lot of them use our services ;D) but this one didn't, he is staunchly for it and gave me a spiel very similar to Caroline's except reeking of a nice spoonful of misogyny on the top. The Labour candidate seems slightly more sympathetic in the sense that he's not quite as traditional, no idea if he'll just go along with the rest of Labour. The Labour candidate for the constituency next to mine is apparently undecided.

Either way, just because it seems moot to do it at the beginning doesn't mean we shouldn't try. If we keep bombarding them with stats they're going to have to respond to them eventually, it can be relatively easy to get face to face with your MP so if you're assertive, they'll have to respond to your points. It helps also if you can get a nice group together - I'm attempting to post-election. It's a little bit short of lobbying but of course that's an option too. We have to pester them, it's our only option.
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cheesypeas

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« Reply #16 on: 19 April 2015, 05:23:36 pm »
victoryrose, I agree... :D
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« Reply #17 on: 19 April 2015, 07:10:03 pm »
By the way the Green Party SUPPORTS decriminalisation and is against the nordic model. Caroline Lucas is just one MP and her views are not consistent with the views of the party.

It says on their website "Criminalising clients of prostitutes increases the threats to vulnerable women and men" the Green Party supports the New Zealand model which is where sex work is (mostly) decriminalised.

If I were you Ivy, I would email her back and inform her that her views directly contradict the views of the party she represents (and also that she's talking a load of shite) ::)
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victoryrose

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« Reply #18 on: 19 April 2015, 07:59:49 pm »
MPs are 100% allowed to contradict the views of their parties and Lucas has been known multiple times for doing so. Other Greens kind of like it because it makes her seem like she has more integrity and isn't afraid to stand up for what she believes in, even though it can be a gripe. Compare to certain other parties who whip their MPs into submission. I do respect Lucas for that, I'm just disappointed that she's contradicting the very well-researched evidence that this harms far more than it could even theoretically help. I'd try to argue with her from the perspective of the stats and the many groups of actual sex workers who say straight that this is not what we want. Would she advocate for legislation against immigrants or certain ethnicities or sexualities that members of those groups were almost unanimously against? No. So why is she doing it with us, especially when there is overwhelming evidence against her view?

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« Reply #19 on: 19 April 2015, 10:01:57 pm »
This is the Green party manifesto on us, officially!

Prostitution and the Sex Industry

RR550 The Green Party believes that the law should not seek to regulate consensual sexual activities between adults where those do not affect others. Where there are such effects, a balance must be reached. Adults should be free to do as they wish with their own bodies, and to practice whatever form of sexual activity they wish by themselves or with each other by mutual consent. This includes the freedom not only to engage in such sexual acts, but also to be photographed or filmed doing so, to make such images available to other adults with their consent, and to be able to view such images. That someone might receive payment for any of these activities should not affect this freedom.

RR551 Regardless of generally accepted standards of public morality in the past, no attempt to end various aspects of prostitution with prohibitive laws has worked. In addition, with the availability of sexually explicit material via the internet it is not realistic to expect that censorship laws will be able to stop access to such material in the future.

RR552 For the reasons given above, the Green Party believes that attempting to stop the sex industry by using prohibitive laws is neither desirable nor realistic.

RR553 Criminalisation of many parts of the sex industry leaves those working within it in a vulnerable position. They are often unable to turn to the law for help in cases where their rights are violated, and instead fall prey to criminal gangs and pimps.

RR554 Therefore, all aspects of sex work involving consenting adults should be decriminalised. Restrictions and censorship of sexually explicit material should be ended, except for those which are aimed at protecting children. Workers in the sex industry should enjoy the same rights as other workers such as the right to join unions (See WR410), the right to choose whether to work co-operatively with others etc. Decriminalisation would also help facilitate the collection of taxes due from those involved in sex work. Legal discrimination against sex workers should be ended (for example, in child custody cases, where evidence of sex work is often taken to mean that a person is an unfit parent).

RR555 The Green Party recognises that, although people should be free to engage in sex work if they wish, this is an industry which can be more exploitative than others, and those who work in it should be adequately protected against such exploitation. There should be zero tolerance of coercion, violence, or sexual abuse (including child abuse). Those who have been trafficked into the country and forced to work in the sex industry against their will should receive protection under the law (see MG450-454). There should be legal support for sex workers who want to sue those who exploit their labour unfairly, and access to re-training for those sex workers who want to leave the industry. As far as possible, public services, the Government and legal system should aim to end those social attitudes which stigmatise those who are, or have been, sex workers.

RR556 Regular health checks should be available to all sex workers, free of charge (see H300), to protect both them and their clients.

RR557 The use of commercial premises as brothels should be legalised, and such brothels should be subject to licensing by local authorities to ensure protection of those working there and clients from abuse, and protection of the local community from nuisance and abuse. Some prostitutes choose to work from home, or similarly in residential premises, like some other trades. Such use of primarily residential premises should be permitted without a licence being required, subject to the avoidance of nuisance and abuse. This exemption from licensing requirements should still apply if more than one person works in such premises, provided that such activities take place on a sufficiently small scale that they are not tantamount to a commercial brothel.

RR558 The decriminalisation of prostitution should not require all prostitutes to work in regulated brothels. Doing this would still leave a criminalized street prostitution market. Those workers whom regulated brothels chose to employ would work legally, and those who not so employed would still work illegally on the streets. In order to protect those street workers (often the most vulnerable) the law shall not criminalize their activity.

RR559 Laws against soliciting should be repealed, and issues of "public nuisance" should be dealt with under general legal provision against nuisance. In order to minimise any such nuisance, wherever possible particular areas should be designated where street prostitutes can work in safety without upsetting local residents and traders. Such areas should be decided by negotiation between the police, prostitutes and/or their representatives, and the residents and/or their representatives. Local authorities and the health service should ensure that such street workers have ready access to health facilities and advice about the health risks of their work.


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I shall be writing a blog on the subject, then refine it into a staunchly worded email tomorrow.

cheesypeas

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« Reply #20 on: 19 April 2015, 10:03:25 pm »
IvyDerriere: thanks Ivy
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« Reply #21 on: 20 April 2015, 12:07:22 am »
Info and links (to find your MP, amongst other things) from the ECP here:

http://prostitutescollective.takeaction.org.uk/lobby/decriminalisesexworkforsafetyssake :)

Midsstudent

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« Reply #22 on: 20 April 2015, 12:56:27 pm »
I'm actually impressed. They've done their due diligence.

Abbeycro

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« Reply #23 on: 22 April 2015, 10:54:51 am »
Just posting as I have used the "Our Consent Counts" site to contact the candidates in my area.  So far I have had 2 replies in less than 24 hours from the Tories and Liberals, both have said they will look into the issue in more detail.  I hope if we all do this it will make them think about the issues affecting us a bit more.

We really all need to do this to make our politicians think about what would happen if our clients were criminalised.