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Re: OMG what am i doing?
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2012, 01:39:09 PM »
OP, this punter may well be very well known on Punter forums but that does not mean he si not ripping you off.  £350 is the sort of price I would expect someone who works the streets/or has a very nasty pimp to be paid, not a regular escort who works from her home or a flat. 
Seriously, this guy knows it will be your first time so is seriously taking the piss out of you.  He is probably sat with his hands firmly clenched laughing his little arse off. 
If he has read this thread then he will know that what we are saying is true and he should bloody well be ashamed of himself.
As for his regulars I doubt very much they would be too happy to receive a call from you about him and if they are decent escorts will not give you any details about any of their clients regardless of what he tells you.

Tell him you would love to see him for an overnight and as it is your first time and you are a little nervous so may not perform 100% you will give him a discount and charge him the measly sum of £800.  That seems a good discount on the normal average rate. Also tell him firmly that NO bareback sex will ever be involved and that you are only willing to do ..... & ..... & .... but will not do ..... & .... & ..... etc etc.  Set your boundaries very clear from the start and inform him that if he tries to push these boundaries you will leave immediately.  OH you also want the full amount immediately upon arrival. 
As for your WG friend, get rid quickly as she is no friend at all telling you that £350 is good and to go for it. Most people charge more than that for 3 hours. 

Personally if it was me I would tell this guy to go f&&* himself as he is already showing that he is a twat by trying to take advantage of you in this way.   Stay off punter forums as most will happily lie to you to get something for almost nothing.  Dont go back on them until you have some experience and the ability to work out that they are full of shit.  God I do not know why anyone bothers with them anyway as some of the stuff on there is enough to turn anyones stomach.

If you want to become an escort, read the main site over and over and then read it again.  Get yourself a profile on Adultwork to start with and do nto put new to this. Put have been escorting 6 months now and finally decided to join AW or put lost my profile so have to start again or something similar so you do not end up with every creep on the planet trying to get you for silly prices and pushing your boundaries.  Clearly state what you are willing and not willing to do and stick to it no matter how much they beg, plead or whine.
Check out other girls rates in your area (not the ones in big groups who charge silly prices) but the ones that are independent and set your rates on the average of those.
Most of all, you need to be firm and stick to everything on your profile and never deviate from your boundaries.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2012, 02:40:17 PM »

Whilst trying to help my sister i read and read up on the wgs scene to try and understand why she did what she did, how could she do something like it.
From my reading i understood a lot and came to know some of the wgs quite well. A couple of whom had also tried to help my sister without success.
To be honest., the more i read, the more it all interested me.


Steph if you're happy to take £350 for an overnighter, have done your security checks, somebody knows where you are and are happy that should the client try to renege on his previous claim that he won't try to pound you for 12 hours straight, you'll have the guts to say 'Oi mate, cut it out'...then by all means go for it.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and God help me but I started by meeting a guy off t'internet who paid well below the going rate. A few months down the line he contacted me on AW (using the same silly nickname, which is how I recognized him) wanting to book me. He had tons of feedback that predated our initial meeting - and when I realised that he knew what the score was with the whole prostitution scene, and that he spent his time putting ads up to entice women in dire financial straits into meeting him so he could  pay them below the going rate...well I felt a bit sick, and exploited. And when I think of him now, it's not fondly.

This guy may or may not be genuine. He may or may not be getting off on the thought of paying a woman less than he usually would. He may even be, in a strange way, trying to be nice to you as he knows your sisters story.

But...

This is what worried me when I read your posts; your motivations. You don't seem to need the money, you say you're married and your husband doesn't enjoy sex as much as you do as he's older - but that in itself isn't a reason. Any sex you have as a WG isn't like normal sex, so why not have an affair if you want your needs satisfied? Shoot me down if I'm way off the mark, but it seems to me like this whole endeavor is a weird way for you to try to understand your sister. Death and bereavement, are awful things to deal with and even harder when you're dealing with the way your sister died. We do crazy things when a family member dies, things we wouldn't normally consider, and maybe for you this is one of them?

If it's not, and you're happy to meet What'sHisName, happy that you'll be safe and happy that £350 is what you're willing to accept, and happy that you won't feel exploited afterwards - then best of luck, stay safe. I'm really sorry that you lost your sister in such sad circumstances, and I hope you take care.

Charlotte x

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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2012, 03:33:14 PM »
Will try and answer, Im actually not married, i do have a partner, we do not live together. I dont go out in an evenings generally so dont meet many people.

As for my sister, it was 7 years ago. I have accepted what happened and now only feel sad at how she ended up on the streets, personally i wish she had been with an agency or parlour with some sort of protection from those who prey on the vulnerable ones on the street. Brothels should be legalised. If they were, then maybe my sister would still be alive today.

I stayed on the punting forums as i made friends on them and enjoyed the banter. Also gave an insight as to what men can like sometimes.

2 people will know where i am, will be expecting calls from me to let them know i am safe. I also have to ring them at a prearranged time in the morning,if i dont do this, they will set alarm bells ringing. They will also know exactly where i am .

Thanks for all the advice, off to do some more reading.

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2012, 04:49:23 PM »
Stephanie -with all my respects- you keep repeating like a mantra you came here seeking advice but it doesn't really seem that way. Let me explain myself: You enter (mainly a proffesional) WG forum stating you have a plan to spend a night with a stranger you've met over the internet for 350 pounds. Then you get all these replies from very experienced women telling you a) It's not safe (specially because you've never done this before) b) they guy screams TW or boundary pusher and b) You're being cheated with the money. Despite all this valuable info you decide to listen to nobody and stick to your plan. It doesn't sound to me like you are seeking advice... but more like "I'm informing you that this is what I'm going to do". Where's the "advice seeking" part?

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2012, 05:55:33 PM »
Overnights are bloody hard work, even if you're not going to have sex.  You have to be aware of everything, you cannot let your guard down and relax until it is all over and you get home.

Especially so with a client who *says* he won't try it on, but he already is trying it on by talking about sex toys and watching you using them!  Do you honestly think he's not going to pull his cock out and have at least a wank while he's watching you?  He'll probably try more than that.  And he'll have all night to try to change your mind.  He's on a punter forum and an active poster.  Therefore he pays for sex and is experienced in the sex business, whereas you are a newbie.

I would never, ever, recommend an overnight for an introduction into the sex industry.  See if you can meet him for a shorter time, for a rate you are happy with. 

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2012, 08:06:04 PM »
I dont go out in an evenings generally so dont meet many people.

I stayed on the punting forums as i made friends on them and enjoyed the banter. Also gave an insight as to what men can like sometimes.


Steph, if you're lonely all I can say is that meeting someone from the internet to have paid sex with them will only make it ten times worse. Just take a look at this thread: http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=2645.0 and see how many times 'loneliness' and 'isolation' crop up. Just food for thought.

And the punting forums are entertaining, and they do give an insight into what 'men want' (though half the time I'd rather not know  ::)) - but I think you really have to ask yourself if it's normal for a non sex worker/punter to be frequenting and posting on those forums. Lots of women do post on them, but as sex workers they have a vested interest in creating an internet presence. If I wasn't a sex worker would I be there - nope, not a chance in hell. I know that you said you were doing it to try to find your sister and then to understand how she  lived...but why are you still on them seven years later?There's plenty of other forums on the internet where banter can be had, why do you have to have it on one related to prostitution?

I'll stop lecturing you, as it's not my place and if you're going to do this you'll probably do it regardless of any advice I give. But please remember that if you are going to enter the sex industry (and it's not motivated by needing a quick cash fix) then there's no rush. You don't have to do this straight away, and this guy doesn't have to be your first client - if you're curious set up an AW profile and just see how many other men are out there who'll happily pay a price that you set.

Personally I'm worried on your behalf as because of your sister's history I think you're a bit vulnerable (more than a bit, sorry I know it's an awful thing to say as I don't know you in person - but in text that's how it comes across). This guy presumably knows your history, is aware that you're vulnerable and is either looking to exploit it or is motivated by the most f*cked up notion of chivalry I've ever heard of. Just please, please have a think.

Anyway - cash up front, don't be embarrassed to count it in front of him, stay alert, sleep with one eye open - and come back and let us know how you get on.

Take care, I'm sorry for the lecture, but I am genuinely very worried for you.

Charlotte x

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2012, 10:36:49 AM »
Stephanie -with all my respects- you keep repeating like a mantra you came here seeking advice but it doesn't really seem that way. Let me explain myself: You enter (mainly a proffesional) WG forum stating you have a plan to spend a night with a stranger you've met over the internet for 350 pounds. Then you get all these replies from very experienced women telling you a) It's not safe (specially because you've never done this before) b) they guy screams TW or boundary pusher and b) You're being cheated with the money. Despite all this valuable info you decide to listen to nobody and stick to your plan. It doesn't sound to me like you are seeking advice... but more like "I'm informing you that this is what I'm going to do". Where's the "advice seeking" part?

Ana, I understand where your frustration is coming from but it is inappropriate to express it here in a newbie's thread. If you are upset or annoyed about something you read on SAAFE, please keep it to PMs or your own personal writing space. This forum is for helping all newbies and it does not matter whether we've heard the same questions before (why should we attack a newbie for not knowing this?!) or whether we think the person is not genuine or if we think the person is not reacting correctly to the advice we are giving them. Either offer help or do not post at all.

The others in this thread have managed to post supportively and helpfully despite the fact that, as experienced professionals who've all been ripped off in some way or another when we were new, we all desperately wish we could avoid the same thing happening to someone new. That does not, however, give us the right to demand that the new person do as well tell them or make accusations about them if they choose not to nod along obediently.

Stephanie, I'm glad you were able to return to this forum. Everyone here posts because they care about newbies, even though it can come across in a bit of a difficult way sometimes. I apologise for any antagonistic posts in this thread. I'm very glad you're still here and still reading. There are posters in this thread who've written lots of extremely good advice - but, as they've also noted, this is your decision. Any booking that you take should be 100% your decision. As long as you are able to access the sensible advice on the main site (http://www.saafe.info) and the advice from all the hundreds of threads in this forum created by other newbies, then you will be armed with a wider perspective for making this decision and that means we've done our job here.

While I know how it feels to be ripped off (I worked for agencies when I started and they totally failed to educate me on avoiding getting ripped off, and even encouraged me to take the fee at the end of the booking because it was apparently "classier" or some such nonsense), I don't now feel any remaining negativity towards the people who ripped me off. The clients and the agents who made my early experiences in the industry into "learning experiences" have done me a favour; by being selfish and slightly evil, they taught me a huge amount about what to avoid nowadays! Sometimes I feel I would give my left leg if only there were some way to stop all vulnerable newbies from being targets to these many, many evil & selfish people who will rip you off and use you up and toss you aside without a second thought (which sounds very dramatic but is actually tediously common in this world, as you'll probably be aware due to learning about your sister's experiences) - but I accept now that this is impossible.

Instead, I simply rant at newbies to be sure to have security buddies and to read-read-read everything on the main site and this forum so they can, if they wish, draw upon the good & bad experiences of dozens and dozens of experienced sex workers in order to make more informed decisions in their own lives. :) You've said that you are doing both of these things (and other posters in this thread have covered the myriad of other issues potentially at play here far more adeptly and sensitively than I could), so aside from reminding every single forum member one last time that antagonistic, angry or rude responses to newbies' threads makes the whole forum look bitchy, witchy and unwelcoming - SO PLEASE DO NOT DO IT - I am just going to wish you genuinely all the best with whatever (very informed!) decision you decide to make. And please feel free to continue posting here to let us know about your progress and any further questions you have, if you wish.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2012, 06:59:08 PM »
Hi-I don't know if you're still reading replies but ALWAYS take the money first,don't count it in front of him but my little routine when arriving at a job is say hello,how are you ect,then say sorry but can we get the money thing out the way first (they will often have it out ready for you,laid out on a table or in an envelope and it often mention it before you do)then I make a bit more small talk and then ask to go to the bathroom to freshen up-I run the tap or flush the toilet to cover the rustling sound and I count the money in there,and move it to a different place from where they saw me put it,then I come out in my underwear,so the sex can get started more quickly,then I usually finish and get out well before the appiontment's due to finish lol

 I haven't done an overnighter yet but I don't like long bookings where you have to chat and have sex with them over and over again.It's pretty awkward when you don't really click with the person and you have to chat with them for hours and you can't really get away with just having sex once if it's a 3 hour booking or longer (unless he can last a very long time)I personally think this guy will knag you for sex and the time will really pass slowly-you can't go to sleep either cos he could take the money back-when I first started I thought cheaper clients would be better as they'd expect less for their money but I actually find they are more demanding and less respectful.After all,the ones who pay a lot could easily get the same services much cheaper  but I think part of the reason they choose to pay more is they'd feel bad expecting a woman to suck the dick of a man she dosen't know for a hundred quid or whatever

.Anyway,yeah my first time escourting was kind of weird,it was like a dream and it didn't feel like it was really happening.That was probably partly as it was a bdsm job and I'd never had nipple clamps and stuff used on me before lol.I remember that I couldn't quite beleive someone thought I was pretty enough to pay me hundreds of pounds for sex.I did work on the streets for a little bit as well,as a 15 year old runaway but escourting is completely different from street work so don't be too put off by things you might have heard from the streets.The clients are so different,less respectful,they only think about using a comdom if you tell them to and then half the time they try and get out of using one,escourting clients usually produce a comdom without being asked and I've hardly ever been asked for bareback.The only men I've had sex with that I didn't know are clients,I don't like sex with someone I don't have feelings for,especially if I've just met them but I can do it and it dosen't affect me too much,I think it's cos most of them are nice and respectful and they pay you loads of compliments,I think it would be more traumatic if they talked to you as if you were nobody.Although I don't really like escourting,it's given me confidence about my looks and you can still earn a huge amount of money seeing 1 or 2 guys a week,if that.

I would definately not do this overnight thing though as trust me,he will want sex and you might have to do it 10 or 12 times,I had a three hour guy do it 5 times ,you can make £350 easily from a 3 hour booking and probably from a 2 hour booking,depending on the area.The first time you do sex work,make sure it's somewhere reasonably close to where you live so you can get home and have a bath quickly,and make arrangements to see freinds/your boyfriend the same night,that way you'll feel better if it affects you,it's good to have company afterwards,even if you can't talk to them about work
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2012, 08:24:46 PM »
Help!  :o :o

Sorry TT would love to read your post but I was exhausted after the fourth line and couldn't go through so I gave up.  :(

You need to separate it in paragraphs, commas, full stops etc... (You know the good ol' punctuation marks stuff) so that we can read your posts.

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Edit by Emily: Removed the mega-quote, since it's not needed and takes up a lot of space.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2012, 08:39:52 PM »
I had no difficulty in reading the post. TT I found it helpful and I think others will too.

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2012, 09:17:26 PM »
I had no difficulty in reading the post. TT I found it helpful and I think others will too.

I agree DA, why are posts being pulled apart for punctuation? Please girls it's not difficult to read at all and that is coming from someone who edits documents as part of my other business, it was very easy for me  ::) Sorry, OT I know  :-\

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2012, 09:35:37 PM »
Hi-I don't know if you're still reading replies but ALWAYS take the money first,don't count it in front of him but my little routine when arriving at a job is say hello,how are you ect,then say sorry but can we get the money thing out the way first (they will often have it out ready for you,laid out on a table or in an envelope and it often mention it before you do)then I make a bit more small talk and then ask to go to the bathroom to freshen up-I run the tap or flush the toilet to cover the rustling sound and I count the money in there,and move it to a different place from where they saw me put it,then I come out in my underwear,so the sex can get started more quickly,then I usually finish and get out well before the appiontment's due to finish lol


I'm sorry but I disagree with this.  Always, always count the money in front of the client so if there is a shortfall, he cannot accuse you of hiding it when you went to the bathroom.  It's nothing to be embarrassed about, and it is much better than being accused of being a liar and a thief.

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2012, 10:55:39 PM »

As for the man you mention, if you are reading, shame on you. If you're really rubbing your hands with glee at the thought of an overnight with a vulnerable and naive newbie, at least grow a pair and fucking pay her properly.

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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2012, 12:12:54 PM »
I had no difficulty in reading the post. TT I found it helpful and I think others will too.
I had no difficulty in reading the post. TT I found it helpful and I think others will too.

I agree DA, why are posts being pulled apart for punctuation? Please girls it's not difficult to read at all and that is coming from someone who edits documents as part of my other business, it was very easy for me  ::) Sorry, OT I know  :-\

I think you will find that you found it easy to read because you read it AFTER it had been edited and paragraphs put it.

When someone writes something all in the one go ie no paragraphs etc it is extremely difficult to read.

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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2012, 02:53:54 PM »
I had no difficulty in reading the post. TT I found it helpful and I think others will too.

I agree DA, why are posts being pulled apart for punctuation? Please girls it's not difficult to read at all and that is coming from someone who edits documents as part of my other business, it was very easy for me  ::) Sorry, OT I know  :-\

I think you will find that you found it easy to read because you read it AFTER it had been edited and paragraphs put it.

When someone writes something all in the one go ie no paragraphs etc it is extremely difficult to read.

Indeed it was - I had already posted here requesting the same thing as the post was one enormous block and completely unreadable.

The only thing that would have been inappropriate here would be if Ana had done likewise since she is not a mod or admin, but she was just pointing out that she could not read the post in it's previous form. Nobody is being 'pulled apart' anywhere and the post was perfectly reasonable - the importance of making your posts as easy for others to understand as possible is also clearly stated in the Forum Guidelines:

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When you write your message, please have a look at it to check that it makes sense and is easy to understand. A small amount of effort on your part will make things easier for every person who reads your post, so it's the polite thing to do. If your post has a lot of misspellings, or goes on for several lines without any punctuation, it will be harder to read. If you're writing a long post, break it up into a few paragraphs.

Anyway; now that's sorted out, back on topic please.
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