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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #60 on: 24 May 2017, 08:53:12 pm »
You think that now but we are great at healing even though you can't see light at the end of the tunnel right now.  :-*

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #61 on: 25 May 2017, 12:14:39 pm »
For me I have different attachment styles, with different people - depends who they are/how they are with me and the sort of frame of mind I'm in at the time. For example I can easily be very dismissive and find people who are anxious insecure to be very difficult(these are the clients I struggle to laydown boundaries with), however there's an anxious insecure style inside me which used to be more dominant until I realised it caused a lot of problems and actively decided to not act that out any more. Doesn't mean it's not there. I also have a secure attachment style which comes out when I'm very confident with someone.

Basically you can have several styles, with some more dominant than others.

Sorry if that causes more confusion. For me it helps explain why I can be different with different clients - why with some I find it difficult to enforce boundaries, and others there's no problem at all.

I did more reading on Bowlby's theory and others who used his work and it helps understand a few things and put them in order and perspective.

In everyday interactions I have avoidant attachment style due to early experiences. However, I form strong secure attachments with few select people, friends and partners. Despite being avoidant, I think I have empathy and emotional intelligence, because deep down I have always resented my upbringing which became an example of what not to do in life.

I can't see myself in a relationship where I can't have a secure attachment. Being avoidant elsewhere, although I feel self-reliant and don't actively seek attachment, when I form a secure attachment with a partner I feel truly normal and complete. Since this is rare and opens up the floodgates of feelings and affection I treat them like gods. But I can't be with anyone who is consistently emotionally unavailable and this became a major issue in a past relationship.

This situation right now is all new, I don't understand myself and don't have the experience to deal with it yet. Other than the superficial reasons like looks and a sexual connection, I see strong markers of someone who has potential to be kind, fun, strong yet sensitive, understanding, affectionate, intimate, loving, trustworthy, loyal and great with family and kids. Yet it is the definition of a situation of unavailability and I am insecure in it so this should have been the end of it.

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #62 on: 25 May 2017, 09:24:47 pm »
I did more reading on Bowlby's theory and others who used his work and it helps understand a few things and put them in order and perspective.

In everyday interactions I have avoidant attachment style due to early experiences. However, I form strong secure attachments with few select people, friends and partners. Despite being avoidant, I think I have empathy and emotional intelligence, because deep down I have always resented my upbringing which became an example of what not to do in life.

I can't see myself in a relationship where I can't have a secure attachment. Being avoidant elsewhere, although I feel self-reliant and don't actively seek attachment, when I form a secure attachment with a partner I feel truly normal and complete. Since this is rare and opens up the floodgates of feelings and affection I treat them like gods. But I can't be with anyone who is consistently emotionally unavailable and this became a major issue in a past relationship.

This situation right now is all new, I don't understand myself and don't have the experience to deal with it yet. Other than the superficial reasons like looks and a sexual connection, I see strong markers of someone who has potential to be kind, fun, strong yet sensitive, understanding, affectionate, intimate, loving, trustworthy, loyal and great with family and kids. Yet it is the definition of a situation of unavailability and I am insecure in it so this should have been the end of it.

Wow you really have gotten interested. Could the unavailability be an attraction? Ie it's safe in a way because you can't have him?

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #63 on: 25 May 2017, 09:56:44 pm »
Wow you really have gotten interested. Could the unavailability be an attraction? Ie it's safe in a way because you can't have him?

I wondered about that as supposedly some people who had avoidant attachments during childhood get attracted to unavailable people because of 'familiarity'.

It's just not me. I find nothing attractive about unavailability, I would turn around. Sometimes I read his feedback and stuff he posts on punter forums and it is like a knife goes through my chest. But then I think of the things I know and see and it all disappears. I really don't know how to explain it. It is like a strong instinct I have not experienced before.

I have to say though that the Bowlby stuff (terrible name!) are useful for understanding some attachments.
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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #64 on: 25 May 2017, 10:07:16 pm »
You'll eventually wake up but you are getting paid.  It's a professional arrangement.  Lucky you. I feel so jealous.  ;D

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #65 on: 27 May 2017, 08:04:36 pm »
Thanks everyone for your help and for sharing your experiences. It is much appreciated and I hope I can return the support. During the last few days I tried a few things and did a lot of reading and soul searching. I even made a stab at EFT but won't bore with the details. I can see that all the things you suggested can work in different situations.

I may get crucified for this, but I eventually decided to go with my instinct and embrace an unorthodox approach. And for the first time in quite a while, it feels good. I don't know if I would have reached this point without your help.

The way this situation has been from the start is like standing against an enormous wave. Every time I tried to control it, divert it, go against it or run away from it, it caused suffering because these things are impossible. I decided to accept it, jump on it and ride it (no pun intended) rather than fight it, and try to enjoy the ride. It may drown me or lead me to safety, but right now it seems that embracing it is the only pragmatic chance of survival.

Life and work were impacted ages ago and will likely change more in the future, but these things change all the time anyway due to all sorts of reasons. Right now I feel grateful I have those 'feelings' and this experience rather than none, and since I accepted that, the thoughts feel positive. I know that there will be more pain but it's part of the process and part of life. No pain no gain. The feelings may be unrequited but I can use the inspiration they give me to do good things around me.

It actually feels really good. Thank you.

S x x x

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #66 on: 30 May 2017, 01:45:16 am »
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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #67 on: 30 May 2017, 10:13:29 am »
I think this man very deeply touched something within you. Perhaps it's a part of you that didn't have a voice before, that's why it's so strong.
It seems that certain qualities that this man possesses (or you think he does) 'unlock' you.
Some songs and melodies resonate with us stronger and deeper than others, right?

I had a somewhat similar experience with a client and it was like a sickness. Or a brain freeze.
What I found helpful was to try to observe and understand my emotions and where they actually come from while 'riding the wave' as you put it.
I was actually very proud of myself when I understood (on an intellectual level) that this particular man represented my mother's characteristics  ::) It took me a year to fully understand this emotionally and not be bothered anymore.

I'm not familiar with attachment theory, but the way I see things is that we develop certain emotional patterns during childhood.
And we attract people that fit that pattern.
If there is such a strong, overwhelming/ obsessive feeling, I'd say that it's an emotional void that is asking to be filled.
Something about this guy tells you that he can make you feel complete and fill the void.

I would say that this man happened in your life for a reason and perhaps it's to understand and heal a part of yourself.

A book I would recommend is 'Women who love too much' by Robin Norwood. It brilliantly explains the mechanisms behind infatuations.
In terms of self-development/ therapy/ healing I think it's best to do it on 3 levels:
1. Intellectual: read books, think, contemplate, try to understand yourself
2. Emotional: talking therapy can be great (what worked best for me was group therapy as it opened me up more than individual therapy ever could); talking with a good friend is invaluable, well, people in general can be great teachers.
3. Body: there are bodywork techniques that release emotions and traumas trapped within the body

I very much like your last post and that you've decided to follow your instinct.
Take care  :-*

Thank you, your words resonated in me.

I trust my instinct about people. I have wondered whether I see real qualities, qualities that I 'think' are there, or qualities that are there but have not manifested in him and he doesn't even know they are there.

I have started to wonder whether, at a deeper level, one of the things that attracted me to this job was the 'fake', 'safe' and 'short-lived' intimacy I find occasionally. Or whether I have been deprived, and deprived myself, from the need for intimacy for so long that when I do found it in life I am so starved to give and receive that I have unrealistic expectations of what others can do.

This man is, or I 'think' is, the complete opposite of what my 'guardians' were, which is what is attracting me to him. And it may be stupid but I see a few things of me in him and vice versa. But perhaps I am just seeing things that don't exist and I have been fooling myself that I came across someone special. If this is the case, I'd rather forget him.

What is odd is that when you mentioned 'void' I immediately associated it with a place of calm. But I understand what you meant.

This surely is one hell of a ride.

Thank you very much for the recommendations. I will read the books you suggested. I recently signed up to group therapy as I found that talking here helped a lot.

I found conventional exercise helps cleanse the mind but would love to try something more focused. What kind of bodywork techniques would you recommend? Something like yoga or tai-chi? I tried something similar years ago and it was great. I was thinking of starting the same again but your experience could be very helpful x
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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #68 on: 31 May 2017, 11:35:03 am »
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SheilaStar

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #69 on: 31 May 2017, 12:56:51 pm »
Can't thank you enough Seraphine!

Sometimes knowing that we are not alone makes a difference, makes some things feel more 'normal' I guess.

Time of a deep crisis can be an amazing gift and opportunity - it certainly is for me at this point.
 :)

Couldn't agree more! It is the 'unity of opposites' that ancient philosophers advocated, black and white, or yin and yang, or good and evil. 'Good' and 'bad' are interconnected, inside us and everywhere else, all the time. There is something positive behind every negative situation and vice versa. At every step we take in life and every situation there is a choice, a turning point, and this determines life's path. We can turn a crisis into an opportunity and grow and do positive things, or come across a blessing and focus on everything negative this could entail and turn it into a curse. Sometimes we think too much in finite terms, focus on a possible outcome or destination and try to prophesize our future. And in this process end up missing the enjoyment of the journey. Life is a journey I guess, a 'ride of a wave', and there is only one certain ultimate destination.

Going back to the origin of this thread, in every way I have looked at it I came up with the answer that these 'feelings' in this particular situation come from a higher (or deeper) place than I have ever experienced. And well, that's just it, I have accepted and embraced it. I don't know if I will ever be able to fully understand or explain them. I can still feel pain, but things are better, and I can use the pain to probe and change myself and find a brighter angle. With all its difficulties this situation opened up an opportunity for self-discovery which I am very grateful about. Which in an unexpected way, makes this guy all the more special.

Sxxx
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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #70 on: 27 June 2017, 10:46:30 am »
Time is the only cure. I've been there on numberous occasions.
I'm glad I got all the Cynthia Payne books before the prices rocked to sky high.

SheilaStar

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #71 on: 11 July 2017, 04:18:14 pm »
Ladyofthemansion, thanks.

I found another way to 'get someone out of the mind'. It is 'going for it and seeing what they're really made of'. A few weeks ago I spoke to the guy. We ended up meeting unpaid for a few times with no sex involved. It is then when I discovered what he is made of. He gave an inch and took a mile and basically treated me like an unpaid whore. I had in my head this built up idea of what he is/might be but when the opportunity arose he turned out to be not only similar, but worse than what my foster guardians where (see Bowlby's discussions above). I had been in denial. I seem to have a knack of bumping onto people like that. I discovered that some of that insecure attachment I had towards him was caused by his manipulative ways.

All this has cost me a lot of money I would be earning in bookings, and I lost lots of work before and during it because of all those thoughts and feelings. Surprisingly I don't feel hurt. It is liberating. I don't regret any of it. It gave me an insight into his true self, and I learned a lot about myself and others through the process. Live and learn.

To all those that offered your invaluable advice and life experience thank you. It makes an awful lot more sense now and you were all correct in different ways. Sweetmilf, I did finally wake up!

On another positive side, I recently had a great booking with a new younger client and had lots of fun, and can't wait to enjoy whatever else this work and life brings.

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #72 on: 11 July 2017, 07:05:09 pm »
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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #73 on: 11 July 2017, 08:53:57 pm »
I think you are very brave and wise to have gone through this process and seen this guy for what he is.

More power to you - you will use this experience to your benefit in the future, I am absolutely sure of that :)
And me, I am not a mess, I am a wilderness, yes
The undiscovered continent for you to undress

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Re: How do you get someone out of your mind?
« Reply #74 on: 11 July 2017, 09:08:45 pm »
"Lust" is so powerful.   If mixd with loneliness, it can be so infatuating.   Hot guys know they are a babe magnet.  But are they for long-term?   They are not good for you. Try boring but Good, honest guys!  ;D