What women want/what women dont want...

[Scott]

Hiya,

My name is Scott and I have only just joined as member today although I have read quite a few messages on the forum before. My girlfriend has also found the site very useful (especially the safety advice) as she has recently started off her foot worship business so thank you to Saafe for that.

I joined up because I am looking for advice, but confusingly...I'm not quite sure what! (I have a degree, I read books and I dont punch people when my football team looses so I hope Im not as lacking in brain cells as it might seem.)

Basically, among other things such as counselling, taxi driving and handyman work, I am looking to kick start my sensual massage business (aimed at women) away from clients who are friends of friends and more toward the general public. One of the contentious issues is that I dont have sex with the client.

Having set up a website, a while ago, I would of asked for advice on how to get it higher up the ratings on google, but then I read this forum and I got ever so confused at the replies - not being computer minded at all. Then I thought of asking about advertising, but alot seems to be written here, mainly for women, but also giving me the impression that there is not much of a market out there for male masseurs.

I even joined 2 dating agencies specializing in affairs, and  gave my website details to whoever was interested at the first opportunity. But the women I contacted only found me to be enticing, quickly followed by misleading which is not exactly good for business. Some of the messages they wrote were actually quite flattering...before they read the pound signs and then it was a tiny hop and a skip from being intrigued to being disgusted, and rightly so. What I initially (desperately) thought was a good form of advertising only served to upset people who catagorically said they wouldnt pay for sex. Telling them that I didnt want to have sex with them only seemed to make it worse as if I was insulting them to the point of charging for my services and then not even daring to go near them with my cock. I can see their side of it, but it was really not my intention.

As anyone who would care to visit my website (details in my profile...I think!) would see, I have aimed my service at women who wish to be pampered and indulged, without having the need to feel that they should reciprocate in any way. I know that if a woman wants sex, its a lot easier to get than it is for a bloke which is why most of the sex workers are female or male for male and theres not that much work for male escorts. But I am offering an experience whereby the woman can be spoilt and not care of anything but her own satisfaction from what I hope she will find to be an attractive, caring, sensual person.

Which comes to my question...do any of you reading this really think that there is a market for what I offer? It would be great to hear from some men about their experiences as well as women from a womans point of view. I have read some chat on here about 'non-sexual services' and the general consensus seemed to be that theres not much call for it...yet my mates mates seem to like it, but there are not enough of them for this to be a business for me.

If anyone is confused about what I have written...your not the only ones. I suppose what I am looking for is someone to say 'give it up Scott' so I can lay this to rest. Im fed up reading that women are increasingly after a massage with a happy ending yet not knowing where to find them!!

Thank you for reading this and I look forward to some straight talking, beating the crap out of the bush, replies!

Scott
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[amy]

Firstly Scott, a 'happy ending' is very much a sexual service. Secondly if women want a massage, they would normally look on Google and similar, I would think - are you actually qualified in this? If not, I would seriously think about it - I wouldn't pay for a massage with somebody who wasn't anymore than I'd pay an unqualified electrician to rewire my house, no matter how 'keen' he was.

I think you've answered your own question, to be honest - there will be a tiny amount of work out there but very little, and whilst you'll do better than the poor sods on the straight male escort thread I wouldn't give up the day job. I personally wouldn't want a strange man anywhere near me unless he was paying the going rate and I regularly book massages at my local spa - if I want a 'happy ending' I can do a far better job by myself for free, I'm afraid.

I'm on my BlackBerry so it's not easy to look at the website, but the bright red is a little, er, OTT for me and makes the text very hard to read. Maybe some softer colours? I can't see this appealing to women at all. I would also ask, since you consider this to be a non-sexual service is there some reason you are not providing to men? I suspect you could increase your workload about 1000%...


EDIT: Oh, and you may have a degree and read lots of books, but that doesn't alter the fact that you seriously need a proof reader. For starters, 'loses' only has one 'o'.

[Anika Mae]

God yeah, your colour scheme made my eyes bleed.

I don't have time to read everything at the moment, but I agree with Amy. There is a market, as you've noticed, but it's only enough for a sideline, not the full-time business that it sounds like you want. Also, not all the men who offer this sort of service are qualified massage therapists, but since you're charging at least twice as much as a regular therapist, I'd expect you to have the qualifications.

[NubianTemptress]

Hi Scott..

I'll be honest but try to not be brutal here LOL.

The red colour scheme of your website invokes the feelings of either danger or anger.  Not a good colour in my opinion.  when anyone thinks about massage, especially sensual massage the feelings of peace, tranquility and well-being come to mind.  The colour alone is too much "wham bam" in your face and detracts from the message you're trying toconvey.

I'm also rather confused.  if you're not offering a sexual service, why do you make reference to the clitoris at the very beginning of your services section?  Do you plan to have contact with the clitoris because if you do then what you're providing is a sexual service and it's in no way different to a service provider offering massage with hand relief to a male client.  If you are then as far as I'm concerned you're a sex worker as you're providing a sexual service even if this doesn't entail penetration.

There seems to be mixed messages here.  A bit like me writing about the male penis and all the wonders of it, then saying my service doesn't involve it. 

If someone wants an appointment with you, they need to meet you in a neutral place first for a drink? LOOOOOL I find this highly amusing.  Seems like alot of hassle to go through to me to get a massage which I'm still rather unsure of what exactly you're offering.

Prices  - no reference to qualifications and for those prices I'd find myself a qualified person for alot less in established, registered premises.

I don't wish to offend you, but you're marketing yourself as an escort but saying you don't provide sexual services.  Personally it comes across to me as though you're another one of the "wannabe" straight male escorts using massage as a decoy to make yourself seem legitimate in some way. 

I really wish you the best with what you're trying to do but would advise you rethink your marketing strategy.

[Scott]

Now thats what Im talking about...

So far, I have had some compliments on the site (which I had thought was quite good myself), and I have had encouragement  as to the service I offer, but it is good for me to learn some basic truths. I have studied basic massage in the past, but certainly nothing compared to what you both suggested as 'qualified' and I think this is something I would need to consider if I took this business further.
 
Thank you both for your honesty and for taking the time to reply. Its good to have my eyes open now.

This website was a good find.
Cheers
Scott.

[amy]

Well since we're all speaking frankly, I've just had a read through your 'me' page and found it to be some of the most pompous, pretentious, nauseating drivel I've ever wasted my life on, and I've read a fair bit in my time (the Straight Men thread speaks for itself).

I can only speak for myself, and I haven't read the rest, since as Anika says the colour scheme is migraine-inducing at best, but I think you need to drop all the trans-Atlantic style psychobollocks and get over yourself a bit. If I put cobblers like that on my site, I'd be laughed out of business - why not try and sound a bit more professional, and dare I say it - lighten up? To be honest, it sounds sleazy as hell - as NT says, if you want to be a sex worker, stop making excuses and at least be honest about it. If you want to be a proper masseuse, drop the revolting fanny-mauling stuff, get a certificate and start applying round your local hotel spas mebbes?

[CeCe]

I thought Amy was possibly being a tad brutal, but when I looked at the site it seems she was being kind. Admittedly I couldn't get through much of the content because the style of the site gave me an instant headache. Makes me wonder though, women tend to like pink and green while men favour red and blue. Is this monstrousity the kind of thing men would like all our sites to resemble? 

[Friday]

Basicly you're trying too sell yourself as male escort with limited services .

Yes the websites awfull, anyone that paid you a compliment was being kind. "Petals indulgence massage" even the name would make most woman roll there eyes. Problem is the look and content has so obviously been done by a man when you're trying too appeal too women. You should have got some female input.

Id never pay a man to play with my clit, what a waste of money. would be cheaper and less frustrating to by a new toy and some batteries!  

I dont understand why a massage begins and ends with tea and a chat? and you charge for your time? "Prices are charged for the amount of time I am booked for, not for the type of massage required." -Escort

"To give you an example of a previous request, one lady wanted to create a role-play situation where she pretended to be an artist while I was her live model who then gave her an erotic massage.

She was a regular client and due to the levels of understanding and trust between us, I agreed. However, as this required me to be naked, which is something I would not normally do, there was an extra cost." - Escort

You're trying to be an escort so too answer your question read all the threads/articles and being a male escort and there's your answer...

"A lot of women say that one of my best features are my eyes" yet your photos dont show your face? a big mistake all male escorts makes. You may argue at this point you are not an escort as you only "give massages", dont think ive ever seen a masseus with a gallery???

Is there a market for male escorts? If there is it's super tiny and if your going to compete you should try being more honest and advertise what you are. Scrap the site completely and start again with alot more research.

[Dionne]

No woman in there right mind would pay ?80 for a massage unless you were massuse(sp) to the stars or something.
My cousin is a FULLY qualified massuse and she charges ?15 per hour
If your only offering massages then you need to offer 'massage rates'
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[Dionne]

And just out interest is there any reason why you won't offer sexual services?

[Friday]

And just out interest is there any reason why you won't offer sexual services?

I suspect the answer may be women might take it more seriously if it didn't involve a penis... 

[NubianTemptress]

come on ladies.. we cannot knock a whore-ticulturist in the making.

He is offering to tend to the petals of your lady gardens, massage your clitoris and have a cup of tea and chat with you for ?80.

God loves a trier  

[Friday]

whore-ticulturist

that is amazing! lol Im using that from now on! lol 

[strawberry]

Those 'floral' photos are awful, and I don't just mean the red ones either. As the others have said you are charging too much, and the amount of waffle on your site is terrible. What is "sea blue" anyway, sea generally appears grey most of the time.

[Lolo]

Sorry to be frank Scott but the website is hideous, the colour scheme, the pictures, I actually find it quite creepy think it was the pictures of the naked woman massage. I was wondering why I would need to meet you in public first?  Surely if you are a professional you would have a professional place to operate from?would I then not have a clue where you were going to take me after our drinks?And why would  you even assume I would want a social drink with you somewhere  giving I'm after a professional service?   The strangest part for me is the idea of a 4 hour massage or an overnight massage...? And as others have pointed out the prices are ludicrous , there is no mention of any qualifications or experience in this at all.