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Today was a frightening day. I was absolutely shocked, digusted and felt violated. Today, I checked into the hospital after showing symptoms of an STD infection. When the doctor seen me, he immediately told me I had contracted a (curable) STI. I was devastated.

But whats relieving is the fact that I am 99% sure it did not come from a client, rather from someone who I had been dating recently. I'm not going to go into details about who may have given who, but now I am just scared because I feel I am at high risk of catching something again. I had contacted a different STI from a client in the past...but he was very much promiscuous, which I found out the hard way.

In addition, when I had contacted the individual who may have given it to me, he then told me he seen me on 1 of the escort websites. I felt humiliated. He only brought it up after I bought up the fact of being infected? He then told me I may have gotten it from a client instead of him and thats when I told him off. How dare him blame the clients! He probably is someones client  >:(

The question is, now what? we talk about using protection and owo...but the STI I've gotten can be transmitted from owo. I want to do escorting, but Im so afraid now that I wont be safe and may catch something again. Not because Im an escort, but because of the number of guys I may meet who arent being careful in their own practices. I have now decided I will not show my face anymore. The stigma was alot worse off than I thought and its sickning, sickning! that someone would use that against me.

The worst part of it all is, had I taken a booking last week I would of passed it on to one of my clients which would have ruined my reviews! The thought of it...beyond me.  :'(
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Re: SAAFE, I dont feel safe.
« Reply #1 on: 01 December 2008, 03:11:15 am »
But whats relieving is the fact that I am 99% sure it did not come from a client, rather from someone who I had been dating recently.
How could you know for certain, I don't think that's possible given that you say it can be transmitted via OWO.

I had contacted a different STI from a client in the past...but he was very much promiscuous, which I found out the hard way.
It seems to me you should assume your clients are promiscuous, that way you'd be better prepared to protect yourselves and them from possible STI infection. You can't play the victim, if you're engaging in sex with multiple partners, it's up to YOU to take precautions, not up to them to not be promiscuous.

I want to do escorting, but Im so afraid now that I wont be safe and may catch something again. Not because Im an escort, but because of the number of guys I may meet who arent being careful in their own practices.

Um, again.  You can't play the victim.  You should not be escorting if you don't feel that you are in control of your sexual health through safer sex practices and regular STI screening.  I know America doesn't have universal health care, but you HAVE to screen regularly even if you have to pay, rather than waiting until you show symptoms.

I have now decided I will not show my face anymore. The stigma was alot worse off than I thought and its sickning, sickning! that someone would use that against me.

Why are you surprised?  I'm sorry if I am not being supportive but it sounds to me like you came to this situation through naivete.  STI infections are a risk, it happens to escorts and non-escorts alike.  Just be glad it's curable.  I hate to say it but may have already passed it on as symptoms don't necessarily correspond with the onset of infection. (I'm not an expert on this, I'll admit)

I really think you need open up your eyes a bit and make an effort to truly understand the business you're in.  I'm sorry you're sick and that you had a falling out with this guy you're dating but, come on, accept responsibility for the choices you've made, especially since this is the second time that you've reaped the consequences. 

Again, I'm sorry if I sound harsh but you need to toughen up and start taking some control of your health, life, business, etc.


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Re: SAAFE, I dont feel safe.
« Reply #2 on: 01 December 2008, 04:02:06 am »

But whats relieving is the fact that I am 99% sure it did not come from a client, rather from someone who I had been dating recently. I'm not going to go into details about who may have given who, but now I am just scared because I feel I am at high risk of catching something again. I had contacted a different STI from a client in the past...but he was very much promiscuous, which I found out the hard way.

you cant be sure it wasnt from a client there is no way.  And of course you are at risk of catching something again.  For goodness sake we are all at risk, we either take that risk or we go and find ourselves nice husbands and settle down and never shag anyone new ever again.


In addition, when I had contacted the individual who may have given it to me, he then told me he seen me on 1 of the escort websites. I felt humiliated. He only brought it up after I bought up the fact of being infected? He then told me I may have gotten it from a client instead of him and thats when I told him off. How dare him blame the clients! He probably is someones client  >:(

How dare he blame your clients... more like how dare you tell him off.  Of course he is going to say it came from you why wouldnt he?  there is no way you can 100% blame him because of what you do so to tell him off is a bit rich really. 


The question is, now what? we talk about using protection and owo...but the STI I've gotten can be transmitted from owo.


You say that like you are suprised, thats why OWO gets talked about so much in the first place and those of us that perform owo know that we run that risk.

I want to do escorting, but Im so afraid now that I wont be safe and may catch something again. Not because Im an escort, but because of the number of guys I may meet who arent being careful in their own practices.


Again you say this like you are suprised there are guys out there not being as safe as they should... this is 2008 and we are all grown ups here who work in the sex industry.  if you didnt know this already or chose only to acknowledge it after the 2nd sti you have caught then perhaps you are in the wrong industry.  I couldnt be a bridge painter because i would be terrified everyday of falling of the bridge so if i was afraid everyday while i escorted i would soon give that up too.

I have now decided I will not show my face anymore. The stigma was alot worse off than I thought and its sickning, sickning! that someone would use that against me.


you have spoken in favour of showing your face so strongly in the past i cant belive your reaction,  but for the record, i have jsut had a look at the link you sent me that time with your profile and your face is still on show.  if your going to stop showing them on one site you should really stop showing them everywhere.

Im sorry that your sick and that im not hugely sympathetic but i think its just a bit much not to accept some shred of responsibility for this.  It takes two to tango and you are hardly in a place to be judging people on how promiscuous they are in life, paid or unpaid!



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Re: SAAFE, I dont feel safe.
« Reply #3 on: 01 December 2008, 09:12:35 am »
What they said, really.

You're not stupid, you know the levels of infections and numbers of partners in the gay community.

Grown-ups balance the risks with the pleasure for the things they're considering doing.

They shouldn't moan if they choose to do something and then get bitten. That applies to people who smoke, drink, inject, snort, drive etc as well as do OWO.

Having said that, the person you're assuming has the infection is being obnoxious.


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« Reply #4 on: 01 December 2008, 09:51:23 am »
well, the way we are making it seem is that Its my fault that I contracted the STI and the other guys are completely off the hook? No, just in the same way I ensure our safety, what makes them exempt from it? Whats worse is...if I find out this guy did give it to me (I'll know by later on today) then that means he put me in a bad position by sleeping around and not being honest with me. And he even agrees that he's wrong. He apologized in advance. And he should, now Im out of work for the next 2 or 3 days!

And the 1st time I contracted an STD, I used protection with that client. But, it didnt make a differece! it was lice! There's no way one can protect against that. So in reality...this is the 1st time I contacted an infection! I'm not being thick. And how do I know it wasnt a client and I hadnt passed it to anyone else? Because the symptoms happen within a week...which I hadnt seen a client in between that time. It had to have come from the guy I was dating!

The main point was, how can I be assured to stay safe despite owo? Maybe I wont do owo anymore period. I read back through SAAFE about the part of owo VS ow. But its so hard to tell which one to choose. One guy may be ok, the other may not? I dont think I caught what I did from owo. It had to be from the intercourse me and the guy had. It had to be, no doubt in my mind

The good and bad news is atleast both were curable and its life. There will always be germs and infections whether we are sexual or not. If its not one thing, its going to be something else.Similar to what Lexie stated, Bartenders can get bar rot, athletes can get athletes foot, jocks get jock itch. We're all living a world of doom gloom so I figure there's no profession where we will be completely safe anyway  :(

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Re: SAAFE, I dont feel safe.
« Reply #5 on: 01 December 2008, 01:19:18 pm »
It's true there are some things we cannot completely protect ourselves from (herpes, lice, genital warts to some extent), but it's no reason not to try when our livelihood and more importantly, our health (and that of others), is at risk. Do you always do a thorough visual check before close contact is made? (and make sure that the client has washed his hands properly and so on). Some things can't be helped but there is a lot you can do to minimise risk in addition to just using condoms.

The guy you are dating sounds very inconsiderate - I find it very hard to believe he didn't know he had an infection, and surely knew that he would be putting you and thus your clients at risk? In your situation I would be inclined to use protection for everything, even though I detest performing oral covered - especially if you believe that the partners you are seeing are likely to be having a lot of unprotected sex with a lot of different people. It could work in your favour if clients can see that you take the risk of STDs seriously, especially the 'straight' ones (who may be going home to an unsuspecting wife).

Please expand on 'bar rot?'  ;D

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« Reply #6 on: 01 December 2008, 01:19:38 pm »
well, the way we are making it seem is that Its my fault that I contracted the STI and the other guys are completely off the hook? No, just in the same way I ensure our safety, what makes them exempt from it?
Read the posts again.  Neither Lexie nor I said it was your fault, but YOU were trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility.  Honestly, I can see how you would find yourself in this situation.  You do not put forward a strong, confident persona.  Just from reading your posts, I figure almost anyone could talk you into letting some safer sex practices slide for a tip, or the promise of another date.  You sound like an easy mark for anyone looking to exploit you.

Whats worse is...if I find out this guy did give it to me (I'll know by later on today) then that means he put me in a bad position by sleeping around and not being honest with me. And he even agrees that he's wrong. He apologized in advance. And he should, now Im out of work for the next 2 or 3 days!

I really don't think you can find out who gave it to you AND I hope you take more than 2 or 3 days off work.  I can't think of any STD that is curable in that amount of time.  I should think a round of antibiotics and a visit to the doctor for the all clear takes 2 weeks at least.

So in reality...this is the 1st time I contacted an infection!

I don't know what to say to this.  You seriously need to live in THIS reality.  This is your second infection.  PERIOD.  

I could go on but why?  You'll only make up excuses for your behaviour and there isn't one.  If you don't start acting like a professional and a grown-up, you're going to find yourself in big trouble whether it's with another STD or a dodgy client who can see you're a soft touch.

I'm sorry to be so hard on you but it had to be said.  I can't find anything positive to say to you because I'm afraid you'll think that it means that everything is ok with you and it's clearly not.  You need a lot of support and maybe you should look for some extra help closer to home.  

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« Reply #7 on: 01 December 2008, 02:53:17 pm »
UA, I'm really sorry to hear about that. Although I agree that  we must face the fact that we are taking a risk, that doesn't mean we aren't going to be shocked and upset if the worst happens. Very often you don't realize how you're going to feel about something until it actually happens. It's easy to tell yourself that you know the risks and you're going to take it in your stride when it's just theory. In practice emotions can take you by surprise. That goes for being recognized by your photos as well as catching an STD.

I'm glad your friend apologized. It was mean of him to try to offload all the blame onto you. He probably said it because he too was shocked and upset at the time (no excuse of course). You say you think you got it from intercourse with this guy - maybe you should put your mind at rest by not having unprotected intercourse with anyone at all until you meet Mr Right. As you implied yourself, clients and sex workers are no more likely to have STDs than any other promiscuous person. If you insist on protection with clients, why not the guys you're dating?

The oral question is a difficult one. I know I feel a lot of pressure to do it. It's not that people don't respect my right not to do it. In fact, I think the majority of men are very understanding about this. The problem is that many of them will respectfully take their business elsewhere. I seem to remember sw5 saying that this was even more of a problem for gay escorts.

The important thing to remember is that you're almost certainly not going get HIV from oral, but there's no doubt you can catch the other stuff from it. I know three men who have caught gonorrhoea from oral and now refuse to have unprotected oral either way around. Two caught it in their mouths from girls who were carrying it in their vaginas, the other caught it in his penis from a girl who was carrying it in her mouth. That last one surprised me, but he said that he was able to be certain because he had had sexual contact only once during the relevant period, and it was just a BJ, no genital contact at all.

I'm sure my sexual health adviser once mentioned that infection rates are higher with CIM. I'm having a check up soon so I'll ask her if that's the case. If it is, maybe you could cut your risk a bit by inviting your clients to give you a facial. It won't make you completely safe because you'll still be in contact with precum, but every little helps.

I also read recently (can't remember where) that there is growing suspicion that mouth cancers in people who don't smoke are likely to be caused by HPV in the mouth contracted during oral sex. The gardasil vaccine may help protect you, but it costs a bomb.

Have you been vaccinated against Hep B? I'm not sure if you can catch it orally or not, but if you've had the vaccine it's one less thing to worry about.

I'm still in the early stages of finding out about STDs, so if any one has any additional or contradictory info on the above, I would be glad to have it.  :)

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« Reply #8 on: 01 December 2008, 05:52:28 pm »
Read the posts again.  Neither Lexie nor I said it was your fault, but YOU were trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility.  Honestly, I can see how you would find yourself in this situation.  You do not put forward a strong, confident persona.  Just from reading your posts, I figure almost anyone could talk you into letting some safer sex practices slide for a tip, or the promise of another date.  You sound like an easy mark for anyone looking to exploit you.

Just a second! Now I may have come off as overly nice but that doesnt mean I would let someone take advantage of me in that way. Honey, if I was that easy I'd been done had AIDS already and infected more than 2 times. I've been having sex since I was 13. Im 21 now. You have certainly jumped to conclusions and as a saafe buddy, I feel your answer is more chastising than point. You're making feel horrible!  :'(

I really don't think you can find out who gave it to you AND I hope you take more than 2 or 3 days off work.  I can't think of any STD that is curable in that amount of time.  I should think a round of antibiotics and a visit to the doctor for the all clear takes 2 weeks at least..

Wrong again. dont you know there are different ways of curing it? I just went to the doctor and he told me 2-3 days. Why would I make this up? There's 2 ways it can be done away with. Either by antibotics twice a day for weeks, or an injection and antibiotics all at once. I had all the medicine at once. And yes, I can find out who did it, and will. For years, I have calendared in every time I have sex with someone so I know what is going on

I don't know what to say to this.  You seriously need to live in THIS reality.  This is your second infection.  PERIOD.  

Anyone can get pubic lice. What part of that dont you understand? Thats not because I was careless! You could get it from a sleepover at a friends house for all I know!

I could go on but why?  You'll only make up excuses for your behaviour and there isn't one. You need a lot of support and maybe you should look for some extra help closer to home.  

So now I'm not close enough for SAAFE? How close do I need to be? As far as I know support is right at my finger-tips. I could talk to health care professionals all day til Im blue in the face but point is stuff is still out there regardless. I learned about STD's in high school also. Im not dumb or nieve. I was simply asking us to come together and get a bit more insight into how we'd be better off to protect ourselves. So far, you have merely played the 'its my fault no one elses' game. OK, I may have made a mistake with someone. Of course. I realize that. But I wasnt asking that you confirm that. I am not asking pity for my behavior either, I could do without.

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« Reply #9 on: 01 December 2008, 06:10:56 pm »
UA I am truely sorry for your troubles and illness and I won't go over all the last points again apart from saying I agree with the principle behind what the others are saying and as for the reaction, we only know what you post on the site, so might have a skewed vision of you. So don't take it to heart, but take on board what is said and ask yourself honestly what applies to you and doesn't.

What puzzles me are two things -

why are you worried about OWO, if you are convinced you were infected by intercourse and not orally?

And why, oh, why, did you not use protection with your date, especially as he claimed to be promiscuous - I have been dating the same guy for over 10 months now and we still use condoms, for his and my peace of mind.


Also I might be wrong, but the course of medication you have taken can clear up the symptoms of the infection within a few days, but I'm not sure if you're not still contageous.
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« Reply #10 on: 01 December 2008, 09:28:30 pm »
UA, are you sure you are OK with this work? I didn't realise how young you were babe
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« Reply #11 on: 01 December 2008, 11:35:29 pm »
I second that, LD.

I did a basic google search on pubic lice treatment and the treatment cycle is longer than 2-3 days if you want to be certain it is all cleared up.  You may be applying topical antibiotics for 2-3 days, but each of the 3 sites I looked at recommended a follow-up treatment after 7 days. 

It's better to feel a bit terrible than for someone to lie and say "poor you, it wasn't your fault".  Telling you to accept responsibility is not the same as saying it's your fault.  If you've caught pubic lice twice now (that's what your posts indicate) then perhaps you need to be more conscientious in your "dick check" OR you need to just accept that the occasional infection is part and parcel of sex work. 

Maybe you're more honest than everyone else, but I know of only one person who caught an STI (it was pubic lice too!) while she was escorting over a 20 year span.  Perhaps there are people who've been infected multiple times and just don't want to admit it.  Can anyone else speak to this? 

You're barely an adult and it's clear that this work is taking a toll on you.  Yes, I think you need in-person support and it's not an insult.  Luckily for me, there were many WGs to talk to before I took the plunge, this forum has just been the icing on the cake.

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« Reply #12 on: 02 December 2008, 05:07:05 am »
Please expand on 'bar rot?'  ;D

"Bar Rot is common, especially for people who have to repeatedly wash their hands. Excess water weakens the seal, while soaps and detergents remove the protective skin oils leaving the skin dry and more liable to split. Most often, trauma to the cuticle allows infection in. Biting or picking at the cuticle, damage through work and overenthusiastic manicuring are the usual culprits. If someone has a cold sore and puts their finger in their mouth then a herpes infection whitlow may appear.[1]

Individuals who work with their hands in water, such as health care workers and food processors, are quite prone to the fungal type of infection"  -Wikipedia

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« Reply #13 on: 02 December 2008, 05:30:12 am »
If you've caught pubic lice twice now (that's what your posts indicate) You're barely an adult and it's clear that this work is taking a toll on you.

Cecilia, that is enough! You have totally misunderstood me again. I stated that I was diagnosed with pubic lice once (around this exact time last year  :o and that this time it was venerial disease. Somewhere along the line you missed something! And a dick check? Yea right. The lice is so small (and nearly camouflauge) you can hardly tell. Maybe the guy had a friend sleep over who contracted the lice and it was on the sheets. You never know! I cant believe you are making me look irresponsible  :-[

As far as my age? I am plenty adult and Im doing fine. Lots of men enjoy the company of a younger woman/man. Its not up to you to decide that. I'm 21. I can drink.Old enough for the army. I can rent a car and register to vote. All legal both in the US and UK. I've had dozens upon dozens of clients since I been doing this and everyone knew my age. They had no problem with it. How could you?

Taking a toll on me? No. Any job can take a toll. A boyfriend can take a toll! School can take a toll! This doesnt compared to those. I am perfectly capable. What if I was to say, "I dont want to escort but instead I'll just be a promiscuous pub slut"? I'm sure you wouldnt say anything about that because I wouldnt be able to come on a forum for support for it. Just because I may have made a mistake doesnt mean I should be prohibited from the job.


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« Reply #14 on: 02 December 2008, 07:35:21 am »
This job can take its toll on anybody, regardless of their age.
UA, do you know of, or can you think of anybody in your area that you could get support from? Any kind of support? An escort or non-escort? What's the gay escort community like in your area?
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