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MM

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #15 on: 20 October 2007, 12:45:10 pm »
oh wait..this wasn't a punter support site..shite I gave free information without charging.

 >:( ;)

I'm rather angry at the state of affair in terms of some seedy punting site promoting use of street prostitutes and it appears loads of men wanting the cheap quickie unprotected and (the thrill) it's just something I get really upset about.  :-[ 

Richard

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #16 on: 30 October 2007, 04:27:31 pm »
The problem is that it's difficult to get hard facts, as far as I can tell. Other people on here will know more about the research than I do, but I believe risks are calculated by asking people about their sexual habits and comparing that to infection rates. It would take honesty and good memories to get accurate results.

There are still arguments about a whole range of things, including stuff as 'simple' as whether there's a causal link between receiving cunnilingus and bacterial vaginosis.

Partly this is because some infections are easier to get research grants to look at, hence the popularity of HIV in studies. Good, long-term cohort studies don't come cheap.

Plus for a variety of reasons, including the annoying habit of ethics committees to say it's not ok to lock people up for a year and make them have certain kinds of sex with people already infected :) it is indeed quite difficult to do the research. People tend to have more than one kind of sex, for example.

This affects the perennial issue of the HIV risk of OWO. The study that gets pointed to looked at the behaviour of gay men in three cities in America. Because they didn't just have oral sex, some statistical work was done to come up with a figure of 0.04% per act, i.e. four infections in ten thousand OWO on HIV+ men. (There's good reason to think they'd all be CIM.)

Some people, including some whose views I generally respect, believe that's about right. Some people, including me, don't: as well as the study's assumptions being a bit dodgy, the 'confidence interval' on that figure went a little bit higher and way lower.

(What's that mean? There are a variety of statistical significance tests that say 'your answer is 0.04%, and there's a 95% chance that this is about right, and a 5% chance that it's absolute crap'. If it's not at least 95% 'about right', no-one believes it. Confidence interval tests say things like 'given this data, any figure between 0.0001% and 0.05% would still had a 95% chance of being "about right"' and this is what happened here. I think that 0.04%, while low, is still a big overestimate of the risk: there are many other studies reckoning the risk is nil to 'almost nil'.)

And this is twenty five years into the most studied STI epidemic.

MM

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #17 on: 06 November 2007, 11:47:12 am »
Plus for a variety of reasons, including the annoying habit of ethics committees to say it's not ok to lock people up for a year and make them have certain kinds of sex with people already infected Smiley it is indeed quite difficult to do the research. People tend to have more than one kind of sex, for example.

This affects the perennial issue of the HIV risk of OWO. The study that gets pointed to looked at the behaviour of gay men in three cities in America. Because they didn't just have oral sex, some statistical work was done to come up with a figure of 0.04% per act, i.e. four infections in ten thousand OWO on HIV+ men. (There's good reason to think they'd all be CIM.)

Some people, including some whose views I generally respect, believe that's about right. Some people, including me, don't: as well as the study's assumptions being a bit dodgy, the 'confidence interval' on that figure went a little bit higher and way lower.


thank you Richard to further help clarifying the whole point.

issues of sexual health surrounding Oral without/CIM/swallow etc with an indiscriminate number of "clients" are really a murky territory to my mind.

I'm more worried about human papill*** infection (not sure how to spell it right sorry) which has cancer risks to women. 

at the same time if I need to use dam personally I feel it's just not worth doing just as well drop sex work (OW/RO/CIM etc) altogether and just provide HR instead. 

Richard

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #18 on: 06 November 2007, 08:28:43 pm »
I'm more worried about human papill*** infection (not sure how to spell it right sorry) which has cancer risks to women. 

'Human Papilloma virus' but that's why most people say 'HPV' :) There are lots of different types of HPV and it's only a handful which seem to be linked to various cancers - most (in)famously cervical cancer, but also some affecting both sexes, including anal cancer. The others are quite rare, and tend to appear more in people with compromised immune systems (e.g. people who have HIV).

There's been a rash of research on this published recently, probably because the makers of the incredibly expensive new vaccines want as many customers as possible before their patents run out.


MM

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #19 on: 07 November 2007, 11:18:53 am »
Thank you very much for such informative content re HPV Richard - it was much appreciated.   :-* :) :D


MM

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #20 on: 20 November 2007, 11:59:55 am »
any update Erica who started this thread?  :)

SabrinaOfYork

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #21 on: 20 November 2007, 03:29:05 pm »
I had only started work in NZ for a few weeks and had to go in for an operation 'down there' which translated as was not allowed to have sex for about 8 weeks!
But I offered a massage and relief service, obviously did not get paid as much as the girls did offering the full personal but still I got plenty of work. (I roughly charged the same for an hour as the girls charged for the half hour, relief consisted of hand relief or OW)
 Not all men want penetrative sex anyway most girls will be able to tell you this that offer a full personal service.
It was a number of months that I was not able to offer the full service but the regulars that I accumulated along the way were plenty and I got myself quite a few regulars that wanted the full service when I was fit and able to work again.
I was a little naughty tho, some were prepared to pay a premium to be my 'first' and I will admit that there were  couple of  'firsts'  ::).
S x

MM

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #22 on: 21 November 2007, 03:59:45 pm »
How interesting thank you very much for the meaningful post.  :-* :-* :-*


brandy@saafe

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Re: Can I work as an escort without offering penetrative sex?
« Reply #23 on: 22 November 2007, 10:25:23 am »

I was a little naughty tho, some were prepared to pay a premium to be my 'first' and I will admit that there were  couple of  'firsts'  ::).
S x

I like that,lol. :)